As many of you are aware, failed candidate Thomas Vann has filed suit to have the election results declared invalid. What are your thoughts?
Here arethe articles in The Record and The Times
Don’t know him,Don’t care, Election’s over and done let’s move on.
What????? Thomas Vann had an affair? (Just kidding of course since I would not want to attack this fine mans integrity)
Here is my take. the election has been done and based on what i have read there is no evidence that anything was done on purpose. There was a few problems, yes but the election numbers were up this year. 29% voted as opposed to 26% in the previous election. No matter how many more seniors would get a chance to vote it would not make a difference as the Mayor and majority of his council won their seats with more than enough votes. And as my Mother who is 82 said to me just the other day, “i didn’t vote in October I won’t vote now, anyone who wants to be a politician is nuts to begin with”,
All in all it will be a waste of both sides money(ours as taxpayers) and time. While pointing out the flaws of a system is a great idea and i do commend Mr.Vann for that i feel that he would be better served acting as a scrutineer of what the council does and would be wise to keep tabs on the seniors issue and keep it in the news by being a companion to the council. Working with them in achieving his goals would bring a smoother approach and a more realistic conclusion.
If Tom feels there should be an investigation, then there needs to be an investigation. It is part of our democratic system and what keeps us strong in politics to be able to question the out comes. Fair or not if there is a 1% room for doubt in the out come then it should be recounted. Taxpayers money, there is suppose to be an alotment for this already planned in the budget. Good for you Tom and good luck, you have the history and heart of Cambridge they need in their politicians.
In response to Terry Provenza post. How can you say that this is what makes democracy great it is Tom’s right to do what he did and if he feels strongly about it he should.
“No matter how many more seniors would get a chance to vote it would not make a difference as the Mayor and majority of his council won their seats with more than enough votes. And as my Mother who is 82 said to me just the other day, “i didn’t vote in October I won’t vote now, anyone who wants to be a politician is nuts to begin with”,”
This post was nothing but ignorance and it sickens me to read such things. This is the reason we get the governments we get. People like this should keep to them selves and have no opinion. If someone feels that voting is a joke they should just lose all their rights (see if it rights our over rated then). I would suspect they would be willing to vote then. Other less fortunate counties don’t have these rights and I feel if the ignorant individualizes had to live in a country less fortunate they would not take this right for-granted.
Come on we are Canadian our we not? We should not be ignorant to this! We should be a country that leads in voter turnout.
I think Thomas may be paying a visit to Lamebridge later…The Mayor Dammit seems to have a solution.
Loud aplause Mr Vann. It takes a special type of person to stand up for the rights of others and take the constant critism for doing the right thing. You have my full support as someone who does the same.
Hmm, lets see. You think that an 82 year old woman should lose all her rights because she doesn’t trust politicians and is more worried about how many more years she has left on this planet than an election issue. How Charitable of you, definitely you would have made a great politician with that compassion. And my take on it was that nothing was done on purpose, I never criticized Mr. Vann or his mission but of course that doesn’t come into play does it.
Terry I believe you have failed to comprehend the statement above maybe I can help you out.
1)The democratic right to vote. It is your right and freedom to vote for your elected representatives.
2)By forgoing this right you no longer have a say in who governs. You have then wasted a right and freedom that many have died in order to give you this right and protected it.
3)By not voting you have just given those in power the abilities to do what they please. So if you do not vote you are saying feel free to take away any of my rights because I don’t care I choose to not have a say. You allow others to choose for you.
4)By not voting you do not protect yourself.
5)Power can change people it can change those who once worked for the people work for the bank. Politicians come in good and bad just like anything else. It is up to the people to makes sure the right ones make to office.
As for my compassion I do have plenty of that but I don’t have tolerance for ignorance. I am what you call a history buff I love to read about it. I love understanding how events change our lives. It is with that understanding that I know the importance of our right and freedom to vote. My Grandparents who our no longer with us who immigrated here know all too well the importance of this right in which they had never taken for granted here in this country. It sadness me to read posts like yours Terry’s because it shows me that the ones that truly understand the importance of this right are those who have never had such rights.
The only reason our system ever fails us is because the people fail the system.
P.S. On a side note I feel I would make a great politician. Here is why I tell it like it is and I understand the importance of this system but most important I understand the power is in the people not me so my number one concern for me would be to represent and take care of the people I serve. The duty of a politician is a duty of service. The people do not serve them they serve their people. Something some politicians have seemed too forgotten.
I never said I didn’t vote, you just decided to read that into my statement. I said my Mother did not vote and at 82 that is her right. But i guess people are not allowed to disagree with you.
Not once did I say you didn’t vote I stated that it is just ignorance by not. No matter what the age. It is forgoing your right. All I said was the importance of it and how we should be taking part.
People can disagree with me all they want everyone has the right to their own option. But I am sure we will all agree we would not like to live in a country where the right to vote was not given, and if we feel that way we should then use that right it should we not?
Wow Brian. Excellent job articulating the importance of ONE vote.
My concern is the people who generally take voting seriously are the seniors and zoomers. As we age will our voter turn out decline???
I applaud Tommy for his willingness to take a stand.
Wow, I’ve had no internet for a week so have missed a lot on here.
I, too, applaud Thomas (or anyone) who take a stand for his/her beliefs.
I do agree with Terry P. though, that even if the election results were over-turned by the courts,(which is totally doubtful) there would be no difference in the results. The vote margin was too wide between the winners and the ‘runners up’.
Note to Brian; if you really want to be a politician, I highly suggest that you take the words “ignorant” and “ignorance” out of your conversations when assessing someone else’s opinions. Many people do not vote; and I agree that is, indeed, a sad thing. But should you ever be elected, you are expected to equally represent everyone; those who voted for and against you, and even those who did not vote at all.
That’s my 2 cents after days with no internet. God, I hated being incommunicado…..
Oh boy! You are right Margaret! I think I better watch what I write with you watching. Methinks Brian may not be the only one who needs a little education on choice of words. I will consider myself told!
Welcome back Margaret, we missed you (and your 2 cents worth!)
Margaret it is what it is. I don’t sugarcoat anything but I fail to see the word ignorance or ignorant as being a word to stay away from. Lets educate for a second the definition “lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant” now another word for that would be stupidity. Don’t feel that that would be the best word to used in this such situation. I used the word because it best described the point I was getting across. Now if I stated that word without explaining the view and the knowledge that went with that to show why it was ignorant then I would see your point. But that being said I did so I don’t see the harm in doing so. (My 2 cents) 🙂
Brian, I didn’t say that ‘ignorant’ or ‘ignorance’ were words to ‘stay away from’; use them myself sometimes; but not in regards to an 82 year old person and their opinion; even if that opinion is different from mine. In my book that’s simply disrespectful.
It’s fine to ‘not sugarcoat’. I think all who are old enough to remember my newspaper columns know I never ‘sugarcoated’ anything. I’ve probably even called a few politicians ‘ignorant’ (maybe even in print..can’t remember). But politicians are fair game; so are those who put themselves upfront to ‘be heard’. But a nice little lady of 82? NO!
Margaret, Now when I used the word I used it in the fact that the statement that was said was ignorant. Now if you read my posts that added to this they talk about the importance and how this is a right that people have died to give us. That being said a comment that someone is throwing this right away to me is disrespectful to those who have given there lives for. Now lets change the view to a 82 year old veteran who fought to protect that right. Now I would much rather defend the honor and respect they deserve by showing them the importance of the right to vote. By disregarding this right you are disrespecting those who have fallen or fought for such rights. That is why I will continue to appose those who feel that voting is meaningless. Those who don’t see the importance of voting our typicality those who have not been properly educated on the matter. Education is key to this and you may feel my comments may have been harsh. But I feel it pointed out the importance of this and if you see how much bigger this issue is you will understand that altho a 82 year old woman may have gotten attacked to some degree on her view she attacked a much larger group. Now I would say she would have most likely not realized she did but like I said before it would have been because she may have not been educated on the matter. If you go back to my definition on the word ignorance the word would seem fitting would it not then?
Wow well it has been sometime since I read this forum but I have to say Brian you always put a smile to my face. I love the fact that this young man continues to show outstanding knowledge and understanding. I find if funny how Margret you’re telling him how to be a good politician…. Maybe he might be better off listening to someone a little more highly regarded. He needs to watch what he says? What you’re doing it trying to make him into every other politician finally we have someone who is honest and upfront not to mention educated. I can care less if he may upset a few maybe it needs to be said. There was a time where we had politicians that were inspiring and edgy. I feel that about him he brings me hope that things can get better with individuals like him leading the way we can sure expect great things.
Margret you seem to not see the full picture but Brian seems like the individual that can see more to something then just face value. Well done Brian if only my ward of ward 3 had you to represent it.
Rebbeca, thats Margaret – not Margret. I’m glad I got my ejucatioin bak when proper speling was taut.
Margaret, does anyone ever call you Peg?
Rebecca thank you for the kind words but no need to say that about Margaret. I have had the honor of specking to her during the election and I feel she is a great advocate for this city. Let’s just play nice this is a place for sharing new ideas and expressing ourselves. Now I know Rebecca may have miss spelled but come on people lets grow up a bit here one or two words is not the end of the world and I am sure we have all done it. Let’s have some class here.
*Speaking – see we all make mistakes :p
Well to be fair to Brian I never did say my mother was nice!!!(thats a joke for those with no sense of humour)
Isn’t it a sad state when you have to explain that your comment was a joke, a sure indication of how a few too many people in this city have their arses sewed a little too tight.
I have to say Brian all this political stuff has gone to your head, grow up and your writing is boring the hell out of me, best regards 🙂
I’m a teacher at GCI and I have to say that last comment makes me laugh. It reminds me of some of my students who hate reading anything that makes them think. That being said Randy I know a great book for you to read. It is a little sort but it has vary colorful pictures along with some great pop ups. If that dose not keep you entertained at the end there is a few pictures you can color in. I will end this like my students would since you seem to be at that level. Lol!
TJ, you would be surprised at the number of comments that are a lot worse than that, comments that I do not let get through. Somehow that one did and thanks for your reply to it.
Well Mr. TJ I sure hope you do not teach spelling lol, and by the way I love reading but I sure am tired of all the sour grapes and whining from the ones that lost the election to Cambridge Council, Lets start this new committee lets file a lawsuit, lets protest, R U KIDDING ME GROW UP, The Voting Citizens of Cambridge have spoke LOUDLY so let it be. By the way this is a blog so get in, write, get out, Jimmy if you do not like my comments then block me I really could not care less I did not think I had to be a prolific writer to express my views on here, I am off to color with my new crayons Hi HO Cheers all Happy New Year 🙂
Randy, if i felt it was blocked it would be. But jokingly i said this slipped thru and for that i apologize i didn’t mean it that way. Your post was tame compared to many that do not see the light of day. you are free to have your say as long as it doesn’t get to the point of attacking a person just for the sake of it as we all are big boy and gals here. Now as far as the jimmy thing, my grandmother called me jimmy once, just once. Have a good new year.
Oh, yes, I am pissed. Someone getting paid a huge salary to impart knowledge to our children and they cannot spell.
And to top it off – to spell like the Americans.
You know, maybe the government should be doing annual testing of the teachers. Oh well, politicians, teachers, scoundrels, welfare bums, thieves – the world is quickly going to hell anyhow.
Wow I can’t believe my eyes. This will be my last post for 2010 so I might as well make it count.
Facetious Lee, you make it so easy to point out ignorance – at least give me a challenge. I love this comment, “Oh well, politicians, teachers, scoundrels, welfare bums, thieves – the world is quickly going to hell anyhow”- Ignorance at its finest. This is what they call stereotyping or to some, stupidity, but let’s just go with stereotyping. Just in case you are unaware of the meaning: A stereotype is a commonly held popular belief about specific social groups or types of individuals. The concepts of “stereotype” and “prejudice” are often confused with many other different meanings. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of groups based on some prior assumptions. So in your above statement you are assuming anyone in all of these groups is a bad person…. Now so if you stereotype people, my guess is that you must think all car salesmen are horrible people, all cops abuse their power, union workers are all lazy, Muslims must all be terrorists, and all catholic priests are child molesters? Those are some stereotype are they not? Now when someone stereotypes someone they are pre judging those before even knowing them. Is it right to characterize a group of people without knowing everyone in that group? Is it fair? Can you say everyone in those groups are horrible people? If you can answer yes then you’re a lost hope. There is always good and bad to everything. I remember in elementary school, my teacher taught that stereotyping is a bad thing to do. Maybe TJ can help you find a Teacher that can help you with that?
Facetious Lee, I am sorry if you are offended by this comment but I just had to point this out. We see too much of this, and it is about time that people stop focusing on the stereotypes and more on the individual. You want to attack me as an individual go ahead you attack someone as a stereotype that is unfair and wrong.
Well that is it for my comments in 2010. I am off to a gathering to ring in the New Year with family and friends. I did not have time to go over this with a fine comb to ensure perfect spelling and grammar. But if you want to rebuttal on a level other than spelling errors I would love to read it. Until then, maybe this conversation can improve in the New Year.
I wish you all a Happy New Year,
Can you kids not play nice?
Brian, of the list I “stereotyped”, I don’t regret most of them. Some – maybe just a little.
But, notice I said nothing about car salesmen, Muslims or Catholic Priests.
Now, as for Politicians and School Teachers – yeh, there are some good ones of both of those – a little more so on the latter. But both groups – as a group are greedy. I’m not aware of any politicians or teachers who, during our recent recession, said “Gee, here I am so lucky – I have a job’. “The wages I make are going further because prices of major items such as cars have dropped”
Same with firefighters. They continued to get raises – often above inflation.
So, excuse me if I stereotype all those who are greedy. And when you get some who seem incompetent, that just salts the wounds even more.
By the way, I’m betting every teacher I ever had – except for a couple of shop teachers – could spell!
Brian, let’s compare notes at the end of 2011. I’ll bet you an apple pie the world doesn’t get any better in 2011.
Did the ‘teacher’ mean “little short”; rather than “little sort”? And did he/she mean “does” instead of “dose”? Just asking……
We all make ‘typos’ (it’s human nature; that’s why no decent writer would ever attempt to edit themselves). But I’m with Factious Lee, on this one. There is a huge difference between an occasional typo and poor spelling and/or grammar. I’m from the old school; you gotta’ spell it right or it doesn’t count in your marks.
By the way, it wasn’t just Seniors who didn’t vote because of lineups. I waited 20-25 minutes in line – I didn’t mind because I enjoyed chatting with the others in the lineup. (There was plenty of dissing of politicians). But, in that time I spent in line, I saw a number of young, able bodied individuals who had taken the time to come out and vote – they looked at the line and left. I heard some grumble that they would return later, but I’m sure some never made it back.
Even though a new vote may not change the results, it will probably ensure things are done better next time.
Way to go Thomas Vann!
For those who did not want to wait in long line ups they were offered advance polling but of course people want to wait till the very last minute then complain about line ups. Maybe some things can be made better but a frivolous law suit wasting our tax payers money is not the way to do it, maybe the people that have a problem with the way the election was ran could form a group and approach this new council with their ideas and suggestions for the next election, I truly believe this is about Sour Grapes.
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