The “election about nothing that no-body wanted” is turning out to be quite interesting indeed. What are your prediction and thoughts, both locally and nationally?
Poll: rollup:Decima 04-28,Ekos 04-28,Nanos 04-29,
Sorry Scot, Cambridge is till a Tory riding so Gary wins.
Nationally, I’ll say Scary-Cons 150…NDP-Socialist-Wankers 83….The barely breathing Zombie-Libs 55 and the Square Bloc Heads 20
Gotta’ go with Hags; Gary will win here. But as Hags said somwehere else, it won’t be the end of the world if the NDP should win a minority (which is unlikely, but possible…course anything is ‘possible’).
Hags, you must vote and not stay home, as you threatened a day or two ago. Even if you spoil or reject your ballot, at least you voted.
I agree that Gary will win locally, as for nationally i think it will be a little closer than what Hags thinks.
Conservatives 134( don’t think Toronto will go blue)
Liberals 78 (They will hang on to Toronto)
NDP 65 ( They will make inroads in Quebec, but enough)
And we will be in the same mess 2 years from now.
I have no idea how many but i see the Conservatives with a Minority with the Liberals as opposition but the NDP will only be a seat or two behind. And this could cause some Liberals(Bob Rae?) to consider switching to the NDP and than form the opposition. Would not even surprise me if the NDP make the inroads into Quebec and hurt the Bloc that some of them may jump to the orange and allow the NDP to be the opposition.
Hurrah for the NDP if they can knock off any of the ‘block’ (measn the same as “Bloc”).
Speaking of Bob Rae…he turns Liberal when they are becoming less and less a national party and misses the upswing of the New Dem-owanker-crats!
Margaret….one day I’ll do a column on ‘rarely’ voting..a cole note at this point will not do my peculiar sin justice.
I just added the latest poll to the original post. Less than a week ago, Susan had about 9.000 and Gary had almost 27,000 projected votes. Who has the momentum?
That’s over a 9,000 point gain, for you conservatives who have trouble with math.
Well, you know what they say; “numbers don’t lie”. Susan has the momentum, but Gary will still win. I do know of several ‘old time’ local conservatives who are not towing the party-line this time around (for reasons I’m not about to go into here..so don’t ask!).But there isn’t enough ‘unrest’ to make Gary lose this one…..I’m still betting on him!
Okay, let’s get down to it…here I go. Here’s my ‘feelings’ on why there is such an ‘NDP surge'(and Lord knows those ‘feelings’ could be VERY wrong).But I’ve had them for days.
Firstly, the demographics are such that we baby-boomers are now the largest segment of the population (both here and in the U.S.). The vast majority of seniors (and soon-to-be seniors) are not financially prepared to live comfortably on what they have saved for retirement. Jack has promised to mend that situation. I think a lot of folks may be thinking about that.
In addition, Layton has promised much re; childcare for the youngins’. Young parents may be counting on that…And because of our, as yet, unrecovered economy, Jack has promised to increase federal benefits for the unemployed..covering yet another segment of our demographics (and our voters). Jack and the NDP are giving ‘hope’ to those that need it. Hope, sells.
Also, and I don’t know who could deny this; Jack is simply the most down-to-earth and most ‘likeable’ of all the possible PMs. It may not be politically smart to vote ‘likeability’ but many many people do. Hate to bring up (the now silent and elusive) ‘newsfan’ again, but even he admitted (or purposefully pointed out..since we’re not sure who he actually represents) that he and others were disappointed in Harper’s stand on pro-choice; (and probably some other ‘progressive’ social issues, as well). Therefore, Harper may have lost some small “c” and large “C” support from the hard-right. I must say that I doubt ‘newsfan’ (again) on this one, though. Afterall where else would the hard-right go? To the hard-left? Not logical…period.
Voters that are concerned with old-age benefits, unemployment, childcare, long emergency room wait times and just about everything else, would usually turn from the current government to the natural alternative; which in this case is from the Conservatives to the Liberals. But the fact is the Liberal leader is soooooooooooo bad, that many people are turning to the NDP; and most of those ‘turning’ are Liberals.
The biggest mistake for the Liberals is its leader. Many simply don’t like him (I sure don’t…he’s a bit sleazy, in my books). Harper will most probably win another minority government, and we will be in another federal election in a year-or-so. What a mess!
All I know is that Ontario’s best ‘hope’ for the future is to get rid of Dalton; no matter what happens federally.
Why the NDP surge. It’s all because of Stevie
1. Fake Lake
2. Free haircuts on taxpayers
3. Stupid comments like “I make the laws”
4. He looks like a dweeb when he sings
5. Buying too many jets
6. Spending a fortune on Action Plan signage
7. He says “My Friends” too many times
8. HST on my haircut (Dalton gets half the blame)
9. He looks like a con man
many more reasons
Gee Margaret, do you have to refer to me in almost every post? I’m blushing. Don’t under estimate Christian voters my friend. Especially over the issue of abortion. It is not a “progessive” issue to them as it seems to be for you. It is killing a defenseless child. Hardly progressive.
Gee Margaret, do you have to refer to me in almost every post? I’m blushing. Don’t under estimate Christian voters my friend. Especially over the issue of abortion. It is not a “progessive” issue to them as it seems to be for you. It is killing a defenseless child. Hardly progressive wouldn’t you agree?
My apologies, newsfan. It’s just that you make it so easy to ‘poke’ you. But you’re right, I shouldn’t take the easy way out. From now on I’ll stick to sparring with the writers on here who can actually answer a question, and take me on (sometimes they even make me see their side, and I’ve had to mea culpa……but you wouldn’t know anything about that.)
I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGIES, EVEN THOUGH IT RESEMBLES A VELVET COVERED SLEDGEHAMMER! You have been easily ‘poked’ a few times yourself, I assume.
It was a blue velvet covered sledgehammer, though.
Margaret, you are right. If we want a better future for Ontario, we need to get rid of the Dalton gang.
They are so inept they actually make the old Rae gov’t seem half-assed sensible.
PS. Jack will get yet another happy ending…tomorrow on alection day.
WOW! What a night.
Never would I have predicted an outcome such as this.
I expected Layton would do well – he did a little better than I would have predicted.
As far as Harper goes – he did A LOT better than I would have predicted. I expected a minority – he ended up with a decent majority. I had hoped he wouldn’t have done as well.
So, what to make of it.
With his majority, Harper might be tempted to run the country exactly as he wishes. The hell with the others. He might get away with it.
However, in spite of a majority of seats, Harper really needs to think about what the upswing in support for the NDP means to his future. I don’t think Mr. Harper wants to see Quebec going back to supporting some separatist movement. So, he would do well to consider carefully what Mr. Layton has to say.
I’m not happy at all that Harper seems to have gotten away with his dictatorial style. He seems to have gotten away with big spending on jets. So, I’m not absolutely delighted with the outcome of this election.
I had expected I would vote Green this time. My support for the Greens was not an endorsement of every aspect of their platform. Rather, I was voting against the Conservatives and Liberals.
But, SURPRISE, at the last minute I decided to join the orange wave and vote for Susan. I am certainly not a fan of the NDP, however Harper has pissed me off enough I decided that voting for Susan would be a better vote than for the Green Candidate who I really didn’t know very much about. I’m delighted that Susan, who seems to be a fine person, has done well. I hope Mr. Goodyear does some hard reflecting on what the good showing of the NDP means to the citizens of Cambridge.
Now, if I was voting in Kitchener Centre, or Kitchener-Waterloo, strangely enough, I would have voted Conservative. I’m absolutely thrilled that the voters there have rejected those 2 Liberal has beens – Redman and Telegdi. I’m elated over their demise. I hope the 2 of them just kind of dry up and go away. Perhaps they should go do some volunteer work. Their time in politics is o’er – I hope they get that message!
As for the Greens, I’m ecstatic that Elizabeth May has a seat in Parliament. She deserves it after being snubbed and not allowed to participate in the Leaders Debates. As I have said, I’m not absolutely enamoured with the Greens, but I hope it is an indication of change. I hope it signals hope that other parties such as the Libertarians might have a future in Canada.
Finally, I’m glad that Duceppe and Ignatieff are history. As far as the Bloc goes, I hope they are gone forever.
I hope the Liberals will rebuild into a decent party which once again earns the support of some Canadians. A party which focuses on lowering the debt we owe. A party led by someone of the calibre of Paul Martin – the only PM in recent history who successfully tackled the debt.
With the right leader, I think the Liberals might be back. Who might be that leader? Not sure. I’m sure the name Trudeau will come up again. But, I’m not sure he is the man. But, who knows, he probably could do well with young Canadians.
Well, enough for now. The night could have been better, but it surely could have been worse.
Canadians want to see what a country looks when it cuts its schools, social services and blows the rich. Good luck with that!
Coming on this site these past few days, I keep seeing the issue of abortion, prolife, prochoice. I think its more of an attack to a certain person who writes on these walls.. but I am starting to get fed up with it..
Tell me Newsfan, what if your 13 year old daughter came home pregnant, lets say because she was raped, would you want a child brought into this life under such evil pretenses as rape? would you make your daughter suffer thru 10 months of her body changing and her child hood slipping thru her fingers to raise a child that every time she looks at she sees her rapists face? or she carried it to tern to give it up for adoption and when the time comes that child who has wondered for the past 18 years why their birth mother didn’t want them and then they find out about their conception? What a feeling you would have for the rest of your life..
What about your 16 year old daughter, who goes out to her first house party has a few drinks and lets her dignity slip thru her fingers.. 3 months later She feels she has no one on her side… her tummy just keeps getting bigger and bigger, people are starting to notice.. she is labeled now the slut.. Guess she isn’t Daddy’s little girl anymore..
What about your 19 year old daughter who is now in her first year of university and goes to frosh week, meets a cute new boy from Edmonton and… OOPS the condom wasn’t put on… All those years of preparing and studying… gone..
What about your 25 year old daughter, who now herself has just became a mother to a beautiful baby, and Oh no!.. OOPS… I can’t possibly have another child so soon… what are my options?
What about the 34 year old single mother of 6, who is addicted to crack cocaine, 4 of her children have allready been taken away from social services, and her 2 youngest were born addicted to crack.. she has obviously made many mistakes in life, should she bring another child into a horrible life?
It really erks me when Men seem to have such an opinion on a womans issue.. Do you really want to see woman go back into the closest with metal coat hangers to try and deal with the situation themselves, and then loose their own life?
When I go past freeport hospital and I see all the pro-lifers with posters saying “Pray to end abortion” I feel like pulling over, getting out and saying to them, how about we pray to end rape… pray that your son puts on that condom, pray that your daughter takes her birth control pill every day at 10am, pray that mistakes won’t happen, condoms won’t break.
I don’t believe that abortion should be used as an opp out, or a means for contraception, but I do believe that woman have the right to choose. It is the hardest decision that any woman would have to make, and to be able to hold your head high, walking out those doors is a very, very, very hard thing to do, it is life changing, so many emotions go thru your mind and A day doesn’t go by that you don’t think what if.. but what ifs are just that.. what if.. It’s the womans choice, it is her body!
So before you speak your opinion and start attacking like most god fearing people do.. put your self in the shoes of these woman.. we are in a new century, get with the times.. A womans body is just that.. her body, her decision.. not her churchs, her community or her families.. It’s her own.
Thank you, Rose. Your opinions are mine too; aoo of them!!!
I was preparing a response to Rose, and inadvertently hit the “Post Comment” button.
Nothing happened. Maybe the spam catcher grabbed it.
I wasn’t done with Rose.
If my posting suddenly appears, I’ll just continue on from where I left off!
s/b: all of them (not aoo of them).
I gave up on ‘newsfan’ and doubt if he will answer your questions either. But if he does it will, no doubt, be the same answer that all these types (mostly men) use; “I don’t believe in ‘murdering’ an innocent child, no matter what the circumstances, blag, blah, blah…..”
I cannot be entirely sure, of course, but I have highly suspected, all along, this may be the same obnoxious fellow who emailed and phoned me a few weeks ago from the local ‘pro-life’ group. He was ‘incensed’that I told him that I didn’t care how many ‘votes’ he could bring me…I was still pro-choice. I even said to him, at the time, that I always wondered how or why it could be that it always seemed to be ‘men’ who were the most outspoken and (sometimes violent) about this issue…….His response was; ‘Yes, we do have a lot of men involved, but there are women too’, and he mentioned one particular woman who had recently come on-board, and was now heading up some part of the organization.
It is truly beyond my comprehension how any rational (and/or caring) person could not understand why I would never have considered an abortion, yet, will always fight for pro-choice. Obviously, you know why; as you and I share the exact same reasoning on this subject…
You know what Rose?
Anything I write is not going to change your murderous opinions.
Abortion is legal murder. Plain and simple.
You are merely repeating the same tired old arguments repeated o’er and o’er by those who don’t want to take responsibility for their actions.
As for the rape victim, she should tell her mother, her Doctor, the Police – tell someone. At 12 or 13, a girl should be made aware of the evils in this world. She should have been taught she needs to speak with someone if she becomes a victim of rape. A 13 year old should be told she will not be judged by the people who are there to help her. For those rape victims, I have absolutely no problem with ending a “pregancy” which may be in it’s very first stages. There is no beating heart at this stage.
So, your rape argument is a load of crap. Plain and simple.
Bottom line is that most rape victims do not become pregnant. The rape argument for advocating abortion is way overdone, and has little do do with reality.
Rose, there is a judgement day!
If men had the means to birth a child, I am quite sure that the abortion ratio would go sky high!
You know the old saying.. it takes 2 to tango.. so when the man or should I say boy takes off and forgets he has a child, doesnt pay his support and moves on with his own life.. it is the mother who is left tango’in all by herself.. What if she had the choice?
On a side note..
What about a pregnant woman who gets back her lab results that say she has a 99% chance of having a child with a major mental illness, You don’t hear them call her a murderer… The doctors usually push them to terminate the pregnancy..
I do not have murderous opinions, I have the opinion of a pro-choice, that WOMAN have the choice.
I was taught at a very young age, that there are many evils of the world.. one being men, who rape. Tell a small girl walking home who gets taken around the corner beaten silly and raped.. of course she will tell her mom and then the police.. but the damage is done.. and oh just so you know.. when she goes and gets all checked out at the hospital for HIV, STDS and swabs for DNA she is also given a small blue pill which WOW makes even the idea of becoming pregnant null.. so is she a murderer for taking that pill?
There are many rape cases that have caused pregnancy.. remember, when the sperm swims up the canal and meets with the egg.. KABOOM an embryo is created! not life.. but a cell.. that will turn into a life.. at what stage is questioned..
Once we live in a world that has no evil, is when abortions will stop.
My arguments are not a load of crap or of a murderous opinion, but that of a highly educated woman, your arguments on the other hand.. are pretty lame.. You sound like that same droan of a man.. voicing his opinion where it really has no use.. Using the same old and boring quotes.. I can see the anger thru your words.. You typed away really fast on that one didn’t you.. Next you will be giving your 16 year old daughter a coat hanger and telling her to go into the closet.. Reality is every day life.. Sh*t happens.. Mistakes happen. I am happy that there is the option for my own body.
When judgement day comes a calling, I will hold My head up high, and in my beleive of god being a woman, I am sure she will understand!
You know Rose, I’m sure are right that men would be bigger aborters than women. God probably trusted women more than men.
As for children that aren’t wanted AFTER THEY ARE BORN, there is someone out there that does want that child. There is no excuse for murder.
I suspect that when a girl or woman gets pregnant, it is at least partly her “fault”. (Situations other than rape).
Yep, perhaps the guy gets off too easy. I would support the idea that there be financial responsibility on the guys fault. That is only fair.
But a 9 month pregancy isn’t the end of the world. In today’s age, getting pregnant before marriage isn’t much of a big deal.
As for unborn children diagnosed with some major illness, I don’t have a good answer for that one. I’m not smart enough for that.
If we save the perfectly normal unborn children, we will have come a long way from where we are now.
Lee, you proved yourself with your comment.. “I suspect that when a girl or woman gets pregnant, it is at least partly her “fault”.”
It’s always the womans fault right??
WRONG! … Should I make up another story to prove my point?
You are highly educated?
So was Iggy!!!
No, as far as I’m concerned, the little blue pill the morning after is not murder. I could be wrong. There are those who would say it is. I don’t support that idea.
Let women have the choice. OK, lets have a referendum on the issue. Only women can vote. Would you support that idea??
“Once we live in a world that has no evil, is when abortions will stop”.
Rose, I couldn’t have said it any better. When there is no evil in the world, women will have stopped aborting their babies!!!
“When judgement day comes a calling, I will hold My head up high, and in my beleive of god being a woman, I am sure she will understand!”
As “highly educated” as you apparently are, you must not have majored in spelling – or Theology.
That’s God – not god.
“I” before “E” – except after “C”.
Or perhaps you keyboarded away too quickly on that one – didn’t you???
Wow, a few spelling mistakes, oh and a small g istead of a big G.. I do have other things to do.. sorry for typing too fast and not proof reading before I clicked “comment”
Shame on me.. I hope she forgives me!
Do come on back when you have more time!!! I always have time for the highly educated. I hate chatting with the poorly educated.
Scott, have I caught up with Newsfan yet????
Lee, the one thing I agree with you on is: only women should be allowed to ‘vote’ or speak to this issue. And from your name and manner of speaking/writing, I don’t think you are a woman (I could be wrong…but all evidence points to you being of the male gender.)
I meant Scot.
Hey Mr. Scot, did you see that riding last night where Ferguson was running against Ferguson.
You Scotsmen can’t even get along with your own family members?
I am a male.
I would love to see a referendum on the abortion issue. And, if it was limited to women, I do have faith in the mothers of this nation to decide the issue.
But, you are not going to shut me up on the issue.
I find it funny when someone has to use spelling errors as a mean of debating..
Actually, I make speling errers mice elf from tyme to tyme. So, I can ignore them from the poorly edjucated.
But, if someone tells me they are highly educated – well something in me just has to cut them down to size.
It seemed to me you were telling me your opinion is more correct because of your higher education.
But, to call god – God. I really do wonder where you got your education?
I meant, “But to call God – god”.
But, I am not highly educated.
My education funny enough, was in a baptist school..
Scot, if there ever is get together for all the contributors to THE CITIZEN, ….please, please invite me!
I’m hoping to meet everyone else.
I don’t think I will reveal myself – unless there is a presence of heavily armed police to protect me.
Rose, we do have MUCH in common! Baptist school and church for me. Seeing how rigid and unforgiving some so-called Christians could be, is what turned me away from the church; but not from the 10 Commandments.
I have a lot of respect for Baptists. Well, not quite as much for SOME of the Southern Baptists.
But, I expect to see some of them in Heaven.
I went to Bible School at King St. Baptist in Preston. I think that was the year we learned the 10 commandments. Including that stupid commandment “Thou shalt not kill”.
Lee, best stay hidden. I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve heard that Dougie has a ‘hit’ out on you…And, please, don’t forget that the terrorists have even threatened ‘newsfan’….so you would surely be in trouble.LOL!
Lee, stfu! (Stop This Fierce Undulation)
Margaret, I don’t call you Barr, so why do you call me Lee. My first name is FACETIOUS. It is not an adjective!!
You dear can call me Facey.
I left the baptist church when the minister left his wife for his secretary.. thou shall not lay with thou neighbors wife.. thats one of those commandments right? I don’t think of myself as being apart of any organized religion, I believe thats all that matters.
speaking of killed.. How is Jane Brewer after her big head on collision this morning?
I had to look up “Undulation”.
We hadn’t taken that word by Grade 6.
I will work to add that one to my vocabulary. I think I will find that word useful.
Oh no! hadn’t heard about Jane??
I am worried about Harold Albrect’s wife. Hope they’re both OK.
Rose, we had to ban Newsfan. We are not going to put up with personal attacks on our writers, and we let him go on too long, probably because Margaret seemed to be having fun. We want a wide variety of opinions and topics here, but we want to keep it positive. I don’t want to babysit.
Lee, I will be announcing a get together for Monday night.
Here’s the link to the Jane Brewer story.http://www.therecord.com/news/local/article/526254–jane-brewer-one-of-two-hurt-in-crash-on-cherry-blossom-road
Sorry, Mr. Lee
I can’t say I’ll miss Newsfan – I didn’t really read him too much.
Sorry Margaret, hope you don’t miss him too much. I know how much you enjoyed undulating with him.
(Did I use that word undulating correctly?)
Having raised three (born in the seventies) daughters, It is about values and morals. My three who have given me three pre-teen grandsons plus one six year young granddaughter, this is what I told them. And for the record Margaret has spent time with one youngfellow.
First to talk to mom regards girlie things. My part as dad was to say if there is a problem come home talk to me, no you don’t have to get married for the sake of, and yes I will support your decision.
Whatever it is, it is rightly yours to make. You see girls, it is about conscience. Same as I faced in the Military, to kill or not. But I joined freely. I have to live with the decision in my dreams, in my everyday life till I part the Earth. So it seems to me if it turns out you have a conscience, then your decision will be between you and what you believe in.
And that has nothing to do with any one out there pro or no. Have respect for others try on the other person’s moccasins.
At what point does a baby get human rights? That folks is above your pay grade. (Borrowed from President Obama.)
Rose, the last I heard (about 2 hours ago) is that Jane has been transported to the Hamilton hospital with a broken leg and numerous other injuries (at this point, nothing more serious than the leg, though). But I am sure the physicians are checking her for everything, to be sure.
Thank you Mrs. R.D.M. I admit I was having some fun with newsfan. But the editors, who are responsible for making sure this site maintains some order of civility, thought he had crossed the line. That’s their decision (glad they didn’t ban me, too).
Sometimes I do get ‘fired up’ and don’t let go (when perhaps I should let go). But newsfan was so condescending that I kept it going with him…probably because of my own rebellion, when it comes to those who are intolerant of others; for no reason except that others may not agree with them.
I had a call an hour or two ago from another PC nominee candidate who asked me if I was “a little bit scared of newsfan”, because of the way he seemed so intent on attempting to belittle me, and yet did not have the courage to identify himself.
My answer was “are you kidding”. I don’t think newsfan is really a danger to anyone. No anonymous person is ever taken too seriously, anyway. If he’s reading this (and we know he must be) my only suggestion would be for him to start his own blog. Then he can write whatever he wants and simply
‘delete’ those who may wish to rebut. I do miss him, though 🙂
simply ‘delete’ anyone he doesn’t care to
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